In this heartfelt episode, host Katie Shive sits down with long-time friends, Andrea Nelson and Hannah Crowl, for an intimate conversation about their 20-year journey since meeting at Bethel’s School of Supernatural Ministry. The three women reflect on their evolution from eager young adults with idealistic expectations to women who have learned to embrace both joy and suffering in their spiritual walks. By surrendering to God’s plan through self-awareness, they find a deeper fulfillment in their roles and in God’s promises.

In their discussion of surrendering through self-awareness, Katie’s friends discuss the challenges of reconciling charismatic faith with real-life hardships. They share the importance of self-compassion and the freedom found in authenticity before God. These three women connect life experiences in conjunction with God’s truth. This Spirit-led surrender transforms vulnerability into strength— creating space for God’s extraordinary plan to unfold in their lives.

Andrea and Hannah share powerful insights on breaking free from performance-based spirituality, recognizing trauma responses and finding God in difficult seasons. The conversation touches on the value of lifelong friendships, and practical ways to maintain hope through grounding practices and connection to one’s heart. This episode offers wisdom for anyone navigating disappointment, seeking deeper self-awareness or learning to hold both pain and praise simultaneously in their spiritual journey.

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If you're here, something happened. Loss shifted the ground under you, and you're looking for a way through. I'm Deborah Larson, Grief Strategist and founder of Redeeming Her... and Him. With my cohost, Katie Shive, we walk alongside those navigating loss — bringing practical strategy and spiritual truth to the work of rebuilding.